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Hi Srivatsava & all,

Mr.Murali's expressions above are exactly what we stand for in Praja. I strongly support what he says & believes. Quite correctly, he indicates that opinions can vary vastly, & debates are the only way ahead, always. I salute Mr.Murali for putting this across in such an excellent manner.

Cheers to Praja !

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Dear Arun, Thanks for throwing light on this, Having done a good part of my Schooling at East West School Basavanagudi, I am deeply concerned about the trees that might be cut down in the area. Is it possible for you to draw a map where exactly this underpass is expected? I remember a *huge* gulmohar tree at the corner of the Canara Bank (begining of GandhiBazaar) I hope thats not going to be cut down :-( -- Praveen Sundaram AkA PhotoYogi

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maybe this is long due..as Arun says we have to vacate the vegetable vendors and fruit vendors from the footpath and move them to the now defunct market.. Corporator Chandrashekhar had proposed this but the hawkers did not allow the market to be developed! Lobbies lobbies..have spoilt everything..the national college flyover was a colossal waste of money and so is this tagore circle plan..

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As soon as one gets down the National college circle flyover, there are signals both on the Lalbagh west gate side and Ashrama side. If this would have been built during those days till westgate on the East Side and till Ashrama on the west side, by passing the signals at the Women's Peace League, KR Road, Kanakapura road, it would have been really meaning full. Also, the traffic flow is towards the Jain college - Sajjan Rao circle, so a ramp like the ramp on the anand rao circle flyover towards race course is needed on the east bound route towards Jain College. With the available space on the KR Road junction below this flyover, 4 loops could have been easily built which was not done. This shows the incapability of the builder and very poor judging ability of our then Mayor/MLA Chandrashekar who forced the design without any consultation with Traffic police or experts. Many of the businesses such as the Butter Sponge, a very famous bakery lost its business because of this flyover inconvenicnce since its foot print is very large on the road. I would say, simply demolish this!!!

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Hi Srivatsava

After reading the suggestions made by you on the other blog 'help required - - ', I decided to glance through your personal blog. I must say you do write well. And, as a senior member of PRAJA, I am happy to welcome you to our fold.

PRAJA is a debating platform - a virtual meeting hall, as we would like to call it - and, contrary opinions are most welcome, even if they tend to get a bit heated at times (indeed, I can be accused of taking it to those levels at times), as long as they do not get personal and the language used is not 'unparliamentary'. So, don't worry - you haven't offended anyone.

Amidst all the cacophony, if we can arrive at a consensus on some of the points, we pursue them through working groups, like we formed to meet the ADCP, Mr Praveen Sood.

I am not very familiar with the Gandhi Bazaar area to be in a position to comment on your suggestion. But, this is the approach that will generally be appreciated in PRAJA (I trust I have the standing to say so), since most of us feel that the 'megalomanic' approach of the powers that be is essentially to line the pockets of the various individuals involved, as has clearly been established from the case involving the BDA engineer.

You talked about transplanting trees. But, that is hardly the solution, since it's not enough to have pockets of greenery. There has to be a uniform spread of greenery across the city. Besides, if I understand correctly, the rate of survival of transplanted trees is very low if they are beyond three years old, apart from the cost of transplanting them being extremely high.

When I talked about erecting statues/ temples in the middle of the road, it essentially reflected my desperation over the inability to prevent this kind of a megalomanic approach. In actuality, I am for ceremonial shifting of all such structures - pl see  http://praja.in/bangalore/blog/murali772/2008/06/28/shrine-entrepreneurship

In the case of the 'Ashram' junction also, perhaps there may be better solutions than what the BBMP/ BDA is proposing. And, like in the case of the Tagore circle, if we in PRAJA can come up with a viable alternative, I am sure, the people who erected the Vivekananda statue can be talked to and convinced to relocate the statue. Let's pursue such approaches.

As for solutions to the overall traffic problems in the city, my suggestion is detailed at  http://praja.in/blog/murali772/2007/12/12/better-bussing-green-bangalore . You'll notice it has a fair amount of support, though quite a few have expressed some kinds of reservations also. But, I continue in my efforts to make people see my point of view. Well, that's democracy. It's a slow process; but, a more sure one. Atleast, that's what I would like to believe!

So, welcome once again. Happy PRAJAing!     

Muralidhar Rao

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