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Written By dvsquare - 12 January, 2011
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I have taken 2 snaps below - one at the Domlur flyover and another of Jayadeva Flyover. These photos clearly show why there are jams before and after the flyover.
This is at the start of Domlur Flyover at the EGL side. Everyday I see people standing there and all the autos, buses, cabs stand there and get people boarded, thus make the traffic jam behind them. Its everyday's game over here. There is no cop here to make them no stop here.
This is at the end of the Jayadeva Flyover at the end, at BTM side. I was coming from the Dairy Circle and took the left below the Jayadeva Flyover towards the BTM and at the end of the flyover, I took this photograph. You can see the bus standing just there, whereas the bus-stop is some more distance ahead. All the buses, cabs, autos etc stop here itself and even people stand there on almost 2 left lanes full.
These 2 scenarios are just the examples, all the old and new flyovers in Bangalore are suffering with the same disease, and nobody is doing anything about it.
COMMENTS
One cannot just blame govt and infrastructure,
dvsquare - 13 January, 2011 - 04:47
In my opinion, we can't just blame the govt and infrastructure only. But the major point here was that, till infrastruture is not being done, are you going to stop the buses anywhere you want, and make people jump out of buses just in front of another vehicle coming in, causing everyon'e life in danger.
I can very well understand and agree that its very problematic for the pedestrians to walk from one stop to other in the dusty environmen where all the pavements have been occupied by vendors etc and many other problems, but that's not the end of the story.
Let me give a few instances, where BBMP have developed really good bus stops with shelters and at some places, there are even bus-bays or if not a proper bus-bay then atleast a half lane kind of space apart from the normal on-going road. But still buses doesn't stop on the bus-bay or the leftmost lane, they always go on the righter lanes, and even people are also to be blamed for the same, as they always keep occupying the bus-bay or leftmost lane.
So, I would say, its all one-depend-on-the-other kind of the problem, places where we have infrastructure, bus-drivers and commuters doesn't respect that, and places where we need, there is no infra.
Agree, but awareness or enforcement is needed and then
dvsquare - 12 January, 2011 - 11:41
I agree with you Bheema, these are the reasons, but those can be resolved too, but till they are resolved, we cannot live with making those flyovers reasons for jams (opposite the reason they are built for), and putting life of those commuters in danger.
Everyday at the domlur flyover, I don't have to take the flyover, I have to go down the flyover and take the U-Turn and I face hell lot of difficulty while driving near the flyover, because of various reasons- like (a) Jam (b) Buses or cabs unexpectedly stopping or overtaking at those places (c) People standing there, their life in danger (d) suddenly people coming out of buses/cabs and u just apply sudden brakes as u see them in front of you etc etc...
Yes, also this is not the case with flyovers only, also at all the junctions, traffic signals, all the BMTC buses just stop as soon as the signal is over, blocking the whole intersection behind them. Not only they are at fault, commuters are also standing at those points only. But this has to be solved by very simple ways - BMTC drivers enforced not to stop just at those junctions instead they should stop at the bus-stops built on same road a few meters ahead. Same should be enforced to commuters, and a traffic cop can do that. I have seen cops doing the same on the outer ring road near marathahalli many times.
ss87 - 12 January, 2011 - 12:42
This conecpt has never been understood still- Flyover is meant for free flow but these buses and others stopping are quite a hinderance-it is difficult for people standing as well as for vehicles moving about.
The distance between the Flyover and bus stops must be like the ones at Richmond circle, Mekhri cirlce etc-and the worst is silk board flyover where not just BMTC even KSRTc, TNSTC, PVt buses move to the left corner and stop just after the flyover creating a huge mess.
Previously buses after Rupena agrahara stopped only aafter the flyover-nowadays many of them stop before climbing the flyover too-and Banashankari bound buses stop in the immediate side road corner.
We seriously require a person to preven people from standing there as well as buses also-and also we need to advice BMTC on placement of stops too-previously there was no stop near the Marenhalli signal at j.p.nagar and people just waited and some buses only opened the doors-now a bus shelter has been constructed at that spot-worse barely 200mts away is another stop where also buses stop.
We had some staffs managing the places when the corporation bus bay was opened on mission road-now they have dissappeared-same case at Richmond circle(atleast stop is few meters away in these places)-hope they can make a comeback and restore some stops.
also there is another thing at Jayadeva Flyover-at the time of return the vehicles cannot use the flyover-and there is an extra stop n return for the buses by name Jayadeva again just after the narrow road at the signal-thats one more horrible location-can be pushed a few meters apart and megred with East End stop such that both the stops are together and the signal there is spared-it is tough for toutes going to Jayanagar there as they have to stop and then change to the extreme right lane and turn
sanjayv - 12 January, 2011 - 14:52
I have been using the bus this week for my commute. I have to change buses at Silkboard. From a commuter /pedestrians perspective, that stop at the beginning of the flyover is invaluable. The walk is dusty, surface uneven, traffic indisciplined. I am afraid that the complaint on this thread has more to do with poor design, insufficient thought to pedestrians and to the design of major bus interchange points
Bheema.Upadhyaya - 12 January, 2011 - 09:29
Even I was wondering why this happens. Here is my thought on this.
Primary Reason: Transiting passengers from one route to another route have difficulty in walking from one stop to another stop for change-over. Take SilkBoard junction fly-over for example. If I am coming from Hosur Road and want to goto BTM Layout.
The true bus stops are at Rupena Agrahara and Madiwala Police Station. So transit stop is in front of SilkBoard Office. Walking distance is at least 0.4km from Madiwala and 0.5km from Rupena Agrahara. So people will wait at beginning of flyovers for a brief stop. BMTC drivers too understand this issue, hence show courtesy. If they are strict and do not open doors people have no choice but to walk in such dusty conditions loosing their energy and time and missing their connecting bus too. Poor road conditions,polluted air, luggage, hurry and laziness makes people to avoid walking from one stop to another. And make them to find shortcuts such as stopping near flyovers, road humps(Some buses stop at road humps - as they have to slow down) etc.
Its almost same case with other flyovers too, I guess. So solution lies in attending all of above :)
Related issue: Have you seen people occupying bus-bay at bus stops? Why???
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