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Written By murali772 - 17 May, 2010
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From over a year now, the responses from GoK officials to queries under RTI, are being made out only in Kannada, even when raised in English, and even when specifically requested to respond in English.
Now, though I can speak Kannada fairly fluently; I can't read or write the language (Questions as to why people like me haven't bothered to learn to read and write the language can be the subject of another blog; but, please do not bring it up here). However, even true-blue Kannadiga's, to whom I have been referring these official responses, have been having difficulty figuring out the specific nuances pertaining to the issues involved.
As such, I feel this is a strategy being adopted by the babu's largely to obfuscate and prevaricate on issues. And, it is certainly having its effects - like from over a year, I have not filed a single query, though I used to be quite a regular before.
In the light of all these, on the 1st of this year, I filed a query as under:
"Is a Karnataka state government official, irrespective of whichever office he/ she is attached to, bound by law to accord a response in English language, if a person raising a query with him/ her, under Right to Information Act, asks for the same?"
with both
1) The Additional Secretary, Opinion Division, Dept of Law, Ministry for Law & Parliamentary Affairs
2) Deputy Secretary (Establishment of Joint Secretary), Dept of Personnel & Administrative Reforms
Whereas, I was looking for a yes/ no response, what I have received (apparently from the person listed at sl no 2 above) turned out to be another attempt at obfuscation, stating that the Act does not make any reference to the matter.
I then represented to the Appellate authority stating additionally as below:
"My query was not limited to responses under the Right to Information Act. However, since there is no obligation to respond when a query is raised other than under the Act, I had specifically referred to queries raised under the Act. As such, the officials citing rules to under the Act to evade a direct answer was quite untenable".
But, with that also not evoking the right kind of response, I have now taken the matter to the Information Commissioner (on 16th April). I am yet to hear from his office, apart from the postal acknowledgement.
Meanwhile, the Dept of Law has been silent. I now propose to bring that also to the notice of the Information Commissioner. I am told it takes a bit of time.
If the answer had been NO, they would have said so straightaway. Very clearly therefore the answer has to be a YES. And, once I get that, I shall certainly put it to good use.
Muralidhar Rao
COMMENTS
blrpraj - 20 October, 2015 - 22:03
@Mr Murali
>>Modi said RTI gives people the “right to question the system”, >>and that is the foundation of a democracy.
My thought and personal opinion is that Modi (and his nationalist cronies BJP) will make a big push for Hindi. So, we have 3 major camps - 1) Hindi nationalists making a big push for Hindi. 2) Regional language protagonists/chauvinists making a push for regional language (Kannada in the case of Karnataka). 3) The english medium college educated professionals from all walks of life who are mobile both within the country and mobile back & forth between India and other countries who care less about the first two camps (1 and 2) . They would rather have all dealings done in English, quickly & efficiently so that they can move on with their lives, end of story.
The irony and hypocritical truth is that it has been 68 years since the British left and govt forces are still fighting to throw out the English language whereas the actual fact is that English is necessary and a very ingrained fabric of Indian society by and large.
It only makes logical sense that the govt. personnel be mandatorily equipped to read, write and speak English (and probably Hindi) in addition to other languages since A) they don't know where they will be posted and whom they will be serving AND B) they don't know which set of people from what linguistic and ethnic backgrounds live in the area of service.
The govt and people should wake up from their slumber, accept English language as a part of of the very fabric of Indian society and make an effort to bring the masses up to speed with the English language by introducing the English language as a compulsory subject in corporation and rural schools accross the country. For those who still have love for "their language" or "indian language" i would have suggested Hindi instead of English..but i don't want to open a can of worms since none of the Southern states nor the north eastern states (Odisha, WB, Assam etc.) would accept that.
For folks who give an example of..look..in Germany, Russia, Japan, France etc. they use "their" language in dealings with their govt and other agencies...has anyone (including our politicians) paused to think and analyze that the primary language and primary medium of education accross the board in these countries right upto the college level is German, Russian, Japanese & French in the respective countries? India is living with the mess created by our leaders & citizens in 1947 by dividing states along linguistic lines and not having a common primary medium of education (Hindi for example); so the only sensible thing for both GoK and GOI is to move forward with English since - 1) we have far more bigger issues to worry about AND 2) that English is the ONLY primary language and primary medium of education that is common accross the country (for example you will not find a Hindi medium school in Kerala/Tamil Nadu/Karnataka nor will you find a Bengali or Kannada medium school in UP/Bihar/Rajasthan whereas you will not find any state which does not have an English medium school, so why be in denial that English is a foreign language?).
BOTTOM line is English, is very much an Indian language now and the primary (and in fact ONLY) link language accross the length and breadth of the country because of which it is the right of every ctitzen that the Govt MANDATORILY be equipped to communicate in that language (including response to RTI queries). If someone questions my claim of English being very much an Indian language now then my response would be that Punjabi, Marathi,, Hindi, Gujarati etc are as alien to the rest of the states like Assam, Meghalay, Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra as English is since the present day India as we know it came into being in 1947..with most of the languages being alien/foreign depending on which state you were in when India was formed.
murali772 - 21 December, 2010 - 13:38
Last week, I called up Mr Ashok, Under Secretary, KIC, again ( I had been calling up every month) to check on the status of my appeal dated 16th April. Most surprisingly, he told me that they had already cleared all April appeals. On further checking, he informed that the summons had been issued to me on the 2nd Nov (by ordinary post), for the hearing on 3rd Dec, and with my absenting myself, the order dismissing my appeal had been issued ex-parte, and copy of the same posted to me (again by ordinary post) on the 10th Dec. When I asked how come the summons (as also the order) was sent by ordinary post, he responded saying 'that was their practice' (The order reached me last week, but the summons hasn't reached even upto now).
While I propose to be challenging this aspect saying that I was denied a fair hearing, the operative part of the dismissal order appears to base itself on the decision of the Goa bench of Bombay High Court in writ petition no 419 0f 2007 (in the case of Dr Celsa Pinto vs Goa State Information Commission), supposedly stating that 'question and clarification cannot be asked under RTI Act', my request supposedly being for 'nothing but clarification'.
I am now left to challenge this in the High Court. I'll first seek an opinion from a lawyer friend, practicing in the High Court, before going about it.
Also, I don't know if my appeal of 28th June, in the matter of the RoS (check above), will also suffer the same fate. But, there they can't go by the same argument, if my understanding is right.
Meanwhile, encouraged by the ToI report cited here, I decided to approach the National Advisory Council directly to seek redressal in the matter, since it is likely to be a country-wide issue. Let's see how things evolve.
idontspam - 22 December, 2010 - 03:05
and with my absenting myself, the order dismissing my appeal had been issued ex-parte,
Welcome to the club. In the internet & mobile phone era, what next, they will send by pegion? ...and say it flew away or got shot so the decision was made exparte!
murali772 - 11 July, 2010 - 11:55
I raised the following query under RTI with the Registrar of Societies, Karnataka:
Along with six of my associates, I am proposing to start a society, which I wish to register with you under the Karnataka Societies Act. On approaching various knowledgeable consultants in the matter, I have been told that you do not entertain applications for registration unless the entire connected set of documentation is made out in Kannada. Now, though five out of the seven of us are Kannadigas, even this lot is not totally comfortable in engaging in official dealings in Kannada, and, as such, we would like to have our entire set of documentation made out in English. Kindly confirm that you can facilitate the same. If you cannot, please advise the reasons, citing relevant sections of the law.
Within just about the one month's time, I received a response, totally in Kannada, citing a government note (copy of which was attached).
The government note essentially directs promotion of the usage of Kannada. But, the legal question proper remained un-addressed, and the Registrar of Societies chose to remain silent in the matter.
As such, I went on appeal to the Chief Information Commissioner (on 28th June) seeking his help in getting the appropriate response to my original query.
I am told there's a wait-list at the CIC's office, and it takes close to 3 to 4 months for a fresh case to be taken up. May be I need to tackle that separately.
murali772 - 19 October, 2015 - 17:28
Modi said RTI gives people the “right to question the system”, and that is the foundation of a democracy.
For the full text of the report in the New Indian Express, click here.
Perhaps, it's time to question "the decision of the Goa bench of Bombay High Court in writ petition no 419 0f 2007 (in the case of Dr Celsa Pinto vs Goa State Information Commission), supposedly stating that 'question and clarification cannot be asked under RTI Act'", which apparently is being used widely across the country to deny information that the government lot are uncomfortble giving - check my post of 21st Dec,2010, scrolling above.
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