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Commuter / suburban rail - part II
Written By n - 25 February, 2010
Bangalore Citizen Reports Transportation public transport Commuter rail South Western Railways Commuter rail
Branching off from "Commuter-rail-will-it-ever-materialize" thread as it got too long. The IDD seems to be moving in the direction of surveying for CRS (item 3, pp. 2). It is unknown how much it / govt. can influence SWR. In other words, why spend the resources (money, time) on studies if there are no 2-way MoUs between the state govt. and the Railways? Now only if the prajagalu attending the BMLTA meet can bring it up on priority ...
Some other questions for BMLTA might be:
- the frequency and agenda of the meetings (seem to be too far apart). Of course, w/o any legal teeth yet, meetings may be moot.
- the transport commissioner seems to not be a part of the deliberations (deliberately? ;-)). Or, may not have attended this particular meeting.
To admin - if the link or information was posted earlier, please feel free to move it to the comments section of the original link.
Unrelated items:
- item 8 mentions bus shelters still by BBMP? *puzzled*
- section 6/7 - there is no mention of Scomi/Geodesic. Why would IDD again prepare the DPR if Geodesic already submitted one? Different alignment?
(if people want to discuss these topics, please copy/paste this info and branch off into the appropriate threads).
Limited information posted on BMLTA's site is very frustrating (but better than no information).
COMMENTS

Clarification on Mumbai & Kolkata having extensive rail networks
rmb - 27 February, 2010 - 06:23
However, I do not agree with this :
On the same line they should have done this for other cities like Mumbai & Kolkata long ago.
Mumbai & Kolkata have had extensive suburban rail networks from a long time.
To make the point clear, it was not just about suburban systems. It was about the larger plan to decongest the mega city, that is what the holistic NCR planning is all about and the extended CRS covering an area of 9000 Square Kilometers is just one part of it. Where is such a plan for cities like Mumbai & Kolkata which are already bigger than Delhi?

But then, why think of creating newsuburban system around Delhi?
silkboard - 25 February, 2010 - 17:22
As per Dec 2009 reports, there are plans to create a new suburban rail system around Delih
Refer: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/delhi-ncr-cities-to-be-linked-by-dedicated-suburban-rail/23/53/380368/
The Union government will be forming a shell company with the state governments of Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Rajasthan to take the National Capital Region to the next stage of inter-city transportation. A memorandum of understanding is expected to be signed shortly, to be followed by registration of the company.
Read further
The shell company will be installing dedicated rail links between Delhi and NCR cities for fast movement, at an estimated cost of Rs 5,000 crore (excluding rolling stock) on the lines of the Mumbai suburban rail system. The project will include laying of dedicated tracks, property development to part-fund the cost and connectivity with other modes of transport.
Here is the more interesting part
Explaining the concept, the secretary said since it was not cost-effective to extend metro systems to cities that are far from Delhi, dedicated railway lines would be laid parallel to the existing rail links which currently serve both the long-distance and inter-city trains. The railway tracks will be dedicated and the Railways will decide whether the existing DMUs and EMUs that run between Delhi and these cities will operate on the existing tracks or the new ones.
So then, why can't this apply to Bangalore as well? In slightly different way though. Keep your long distance trains to the edge stations, and use the tracks inside for local trains. Beyond the edge stations, increase capacity to run local trains alongside long distance trains till places like Tumkur, Kolar, Kengeri, Chandapura etc. That is Bangalore 2020 for you. Spread the city around on the back of combination of Commuter Rail and Metro.

Naveen - 25 February, 2010 - 17:59
N,
Section 8 Development of new Bus Shelters :
The construction of balance bus shelters (654 in nos.) proposed by BMTC and not taken up by BBMP, to be decided by PS, UDD.
If agreed, the development of bus Shelters would be taken up by BMTC on all the places suggested by them.
Thus bus shelters will be developed by BMTC (not BBMP).
IDD to undertake Feasibility Study for taking up Commuter Rails Service
connecting all peripheral metro stations within 60 days.
Why is it necessary for IDD to do a "feasibility study" (within sixty days) when CTTP has already done all the study that is necessary & has recommended a CRS network ?
6/7: Development of Monorail project for Bangalore under ‘Swiss Challenge’ as proposed by M/s. Scomi Geodesic
CTTP for Bangalore had proposed 60 Kms alignment of Monorail, out of that 29 Kms is being considered for Metro Phase II. IDD to prepare DPR for remaining 31 kms.
Authority accorded approval for preparing Feasibility Study for development of Monorail from Majestic to Agaram (14.2 Kms), on the basis of the recommendation of the Sub-Committee on Monorail. Principal Secretary, IDD will speedup the progress in this regard.
On the one hand the title quotes Scomi & then they quote CTTP & DPR required for remaining route & then again talk of one of the routes proposed by Scomi.
These meeting briefs appear meaningless. Wonder where they are headed !

Feasibility study for CRS - what exactly is it?
silkboard - 25 February, 2010 - 18:12
Is it financial viability? Business case? Availability of Land for projects? Population patterns? What exactly is this feasibility study, and what is the significance of 60 day period.
We need to meet Mr V Madhu.

Plans to hive off suburban operations!?
silkboard - 25 February, 2010 - 17:14
As per a business standard report earlier this week, Indian Railays was thinking of hiving off suburban railway operations. I don't think this has happened in this budget, but nevertheless, copying snippets of that report from Sharmistha Mukherjee:
"Suburban operations are highly subsidised. Though lakhs travel on the network, our earnings from these operations are significantly lower than that from non-suburban traffic," ... Data with the railway ministry substantiate this. Though passengers travelling on the suburban network account for 52 per cent of the total, they contribute just 7 per cent to the railways' passenger earnings.
Like Srivathsa Naveen etc have been saying here, Railways may not see business case for building new suburban rail systems. One reason could be the fact that you need a different operating mindset for sub-urban rails compared to running inter city services. Integration with the city and state's plans and systems make or break suburban rail systems.
Here is the business-standard report in question, BS sites seems down right now, check a bit later:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/railway-ministry-may-hive-off-suburban-traffic-operations/386430/
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