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This is not propaganda but the Govt document which states how the MBS is really for the elite the Budget statement of Revenue foregone (which you must go into in detail)

http://indiabudget.nic.in/ub2011-12/statrevfor/annex12.pdf

a huge corporate payout  and also to individuals (EXCISE AND CUSTOMS WAIVERS e.g on Gold, IT EXEMPTIONS in sum MAJOR SUBSIDIES)  of Rs 5, 30,000 crores in 2011-12 and approx at least 20,00,000 crores over the last 5-7 years. (a substantial chunk of the GDP annual)

The Public Sector reforms are also required which is another story.

Nagpur is another place where the other partner of JUSCO - Veolia ( link here JUSCO and Veolia Water India announce a partnership to develop water services in India

so let us list the objections again just to clarify

1. the water supply function cannot be divested from the government which must provide a basic need
2. Water is a constitutional right cannot be provided through privatisation by diminishing the sovereign fundamental right of citizens or the Government
3. 24 X 7 is a high cost, extremely expensive mechanism of sustained corporate payout in the guise of (PPP)
4. The elite IT campuses use the borewell water or highly subsidised public water.
5. Even in the US around 85 % of the water supply is by the public sector 
6. The move in Paris and many other European countries towards re-municipalisation, is because the experience of over 100 years of private water supply shows exactly the same as what JUSCO or Veolia are doing in India now
7. The extensive deprivations caused by high tariffs and the lack of investment despite privatisation in the EU has forced those local governments to withdraw any more contracts
8. That is the reason why  India which  is a big new market with huge JNNURM investment in the water supply and sanitation sectors is attractive for those firms which stabnd to lose buisness and profits inthe EU, South Amercia and the US
9. In India execution experience rests with the public sector 
10. In the EU and elsewhere it lies with the private sector but is going bad now.
11. Many countries like Uruguay and Netherlands have passed laws disallowing privatising of water supply
12. Italy passed a referendum against
13. Clearly the elite want a Mai baap sarkar to contniue but the fear is to call it a subsidy which it really is 

 Socialsm for the rich and the markets for the poor is not a slogan but the reality

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All of the objections raised have more or less been addressed fairly comprehensively here. There is very little to add.

Socialsm for the rich and the markets for the poor is not a slogan but the reality.

Perhaps, this is an attempt at 'jargonising' on the lines of "privatisation of profits and nationalisation of losses" that some leftist "intellectual" had come up with - all of them only helps to obfuscate matters, and nothing more.

Meanwhile, the debate on the "Draft National Water Policy (2012)" can perhaps be taken up here.

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Of course you had and have very little to add. Some people never learn but the public always knew that 

Yeh Public hai Woh Sab Janti Hai

How can the rich be mollycoddled and how can clientelism and stakeholderisation continue. How can patronage and maybe even crony capitalism be propped up. How can the SUBSIDY be collected by the rich in perpetuity.

Through an annual massive tax giveaway over Rs 5,30,000 crores, ( recorded in the annual budget doc as an appendice for the sake of transparency but probably not in the budget)

This goes into the pockets of all the rich corporates and indivduals

More tax giveaway (including by not collecting) than what is collected.

By such payouts the rich can grab more resources and more land and more water and will even buy and sell the air (now better known as Carbon Credits)

this is how there is not much to say.

There is no accountability of the government to the poor and so called chalta hai status quo favourable to  1-3 % popln.

the Public knows that the Silence of these few can be purchased

P S the likely bailout of Kingfisher is a shining example. (The elite maybe willing partners)

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all the diverting to go here, there or everywhere else cannot take away from the fact that as you said earlier there is no more you can add

going by your argument all the important points No 1-12 cannot be answered by you.

Can we assume that what the Minister says is correct and niether the politicians nor the corporators  knew that this was going on?  We all know the bags of money Rs 25 crores / year approx is what JUSCO is looting from the MCC ( according to Comssioner, MCC)  Shd we assume that it has already lined many pockets and now the Minister is taking this stand against VVWW.

things are going swimmingly for all the pro- JUSCO'ers and of course the meeting in MoUD, Delhi is hardly going to pour cold water over this ?

WHY ? since the project was pushed by the MoUD in the Ist place and if it fails now the egg will be on their face.

name calling such as jargonising is only to divert again since the substance of the rationale and logic cannot be countered

Isn't it true that the toast is always buttered for the elite.....

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According to the agreement, the deadline set was connecting 1.7 lakh houses by December 2012. However, they have connected only 50,000 houses against the target of 70,000 till now.

This is from the Deccan Herald report accessible here.

So, they have achieved 71% of their target, as of now. I would look at it as a remarkable achievement, considering the kind of hurdles placed in their way, right from the very beginning, by the mafioso within the governmental set up (who largely control the tanker-water/ bore-well business), apart from the vicious campaign let loose by the "mai-baap sarkar"/ psuedo-socialist types.

On a comparison, here and here are some glimpses of BWSSB's performance over the decades that it has been in-charge of supplying water to Bangalore city (apart from managing its sewerage).

What becomes very clear is that when it's a government agency that's in-charge, there are no expectations whatsoever from the citizens. After some cursory attempts at seeking (rather, imploring for) redressal, they just give up, and learn to manage with alternate arrangements. But, when it comes to a private agency, the very same people are out there thirsting for the agency's blood, even more than the water. And, playing to the galleries are the neta, babu, press lot, orchestrated of course by the mafioso and the MBS lot.

There is also talk of incompetence/ inexperience on the part of the JUSCO team members. Actually, we don't know. We don't have their version, with the press being silent on that bit. Either way, being about the first large scale water-supply outsourcing contract undertaken in the country, one would have expected TATAs to mobilise their best resources, and manage things more professionally, in order to make it a model for the rest of the country - the stakes involved are huge, apart from the matter of the prestige attached to the TATA brand. Perhaps, they are at it; time will tell.

Whatever, I would still like to bet on their doing a good job of it eventually, like in the case of Delhi power supply, which, at the end of eight years from the time of taking over, is today set to become a model for the rest of the country - check this.

The power supply reforms actually took much longer than the eight years for the TATAs to stabilise their operations. Much before them, a foreign company took over the supply in Central Orissa, and after struggling with it for a few years and incurring huge losses in the process, sold out to Goenka's and ran away. The Goenka's had, through their Kolkata operations, mastered the "technology" of "playing the game", and have stabilised the operations since then, in their own way. Eventually, it required the TATAs to establish the right kind of model, atleast for the cities.

Responses to the MBS propaganda, may be accessed here

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