RTI with SWR to get official position on commuter rail

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Written By silkboard - 26 March, 2010

Bangalore

We are definitely hearing more about commuter rail in news media these days. But the state government, and Raily Ministry may be working on different things. Circular Rail may only be for connecting peripheral areas (may be even part of Peripheral Ring Road, as I remember the specs of PRR talked of leaving space of rail tracks on the side or median, you never know). When we say Commuter Rail, we are talking of a system that will support BMRC and BMTC by adding more trunk routes for going in/out of the city.

Saneev, with lot of talk about costs, but no clear statements on what the plans are, we need to file some RTIs to get official and on-record positions of various parties on the matter.

Let us start with South Western Railway. If you haven't filed an RTI earlier, please leave a comment, and one of us who have the details will leave a detailed note on how to go about it.

I will take care of filing one with Karnataka Government post our meeting with Mr Madhu. I am hoping that we will get the needed information (current official position) from Mr Madhu himself, and wont require to file an RTI.

COMMENTS


True, Lot needs to be done!

kbsyed61 - 17 February, 2012 - 02:19

Very true that SWR has lot more to do to match Mumabi or Delhi. My own hunch is that, railways in general can increase their services many fold just by increasing the platforms on all sections.

Wish entities like CiSTUP does some stoudy on this and publish it.

State of SWR is there in those RTI replies

http://praja.in/en/blog/kbsyed61/2011/05/14/state-south-western-railways

 

Its good that more demand is made for Commuter Rail for Bangalore,  Its nice to  see that Mr Satinder Pal Chopra making good efforts on this.

During Nov'2010, Praja did presentation on Platfrom utilization by comparing with Vijayawada, Secunderabad, Yesavantpur, Pune &  Kachigudda  Vs Bangalore city.

It came out that Bangalore city worst in handling 15 Trains per day per  Platform, where as  Kachigudda handling 24 Trains per day per Platform.  When this was shown to SWR, they accepted and came with same answer that  Platforms are used for pit lines and for washing the rakes instead for passengers boarding. 

Main reason for Bangalore city station is all trains are terminating at city only instead of going thru, only few trains are going towards Mysore and trains coming from mysore all are getting terminated at city station, so in over all making its most in-efficient station with 10 platfroms with 18 tracks crossing the station.

We had suggested to extend the Bangarpet to Bangalore shuttel services upto Bidadi so that city station can  handel more  commuter trains on this segment,  it looks like GoK does not want the bangarpet to Bangalore to be extended upto Bidadi for different reasons.

Even Yesvantpur  station has been made junction artifically  by SWR and making it inefficient.  Trains coming from City station and going towards Tumkur are made to go thru' PF 1, 2 &  3  and  they need to cross the trains orginating from PF-4,5 & 6 which are going towards  Banaswadi, Yelahanaka.   What actually should be is : All Trains going towards Tumkur should be made to pass thru'  using Tracks of PF 4,5 & 6 and all trains going towards  Yelahanka, Banaswadi should originate or pass thru' PF 1, 2 & 3 only.

What exactly to ask?

silkboard - 26 March, 2010 - 03:56

Lets start building the list of questions that we will put in this RTI.

Let me put out the context first, and then we will build the questions:

  • We don't know the details of 50% cost sharing agreement between GoK and SWR regarding Commuter Rail.
  • What exactly will be Circular Rail? Based on statements from Mr Muniyappa, these could involve laying some new tracks, and some doubling work to make a ring rail like system around Bangalore. There is not talk of Circular Rail coming in to the city
  • What is the status of an experiment that was proposed over 9 months ago - run trains from Chikballapur to Cant station?

Since we will be at it, why not ask questions abot load on SWR's tracks in the city.

  • Load on Byappanahalli-Anekal stretch. Status of land around this stretch - does SWR have buffer space for a possible doubling.
  • Load on Cantt - Whitefield stretch.
  • Load on Byappanahalli - Hebbal - Lottegollahalli stretch, scope for doubling.

There are lots of articles in local papers about shallow announcemens (shallow = not on the floor of the house, but in public meetings). See http://www.deccanherald.com/content/55910/cm-proposes-local-train-city.html and more.

More questions

silkboard - 26 March, 2010 - 04:13

We will need to ask questions for which crisp answers are possible, otherwise we know how some of them respond to the RTIs.

Does anyone know the best way of asking the question on load on the lines? There must be some technical terms to get an idea on 1) how much load the tracks are designed for (speed/frequency) 2) gap between adjacent services at peak hours 3) capacity of stations to handle multiple concurrent trains.

About provision for land around some of these single line stretches - is there a unit within Sout Western Railway who keeps the land records? Can ask this unit directly, otherwise SWR PRO will waste time by simply redirecting us.


Good analysis

idontspam - 16 February, 2012 - 02:58

Finally people are applying their minds analytically to the problems. 

Comparing the frequency of trains in Mumbai and New Delhi, he says that at Churchgate, Mumbai, four platforms handle 436 trains, while New Delhi station handles 296 trains daily with 16 platforms.

“In contrast, the Bangalore City station handles only 125 trains on its 10 platforms daily. “Unlike New Delhi, the interconnectivity between six main lines and all the platforms at the City station is not proper. For example, trains in Yeshwantpur section can only stop at platforms eight, nine and 10"...

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